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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 23, 2011 4:34pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27

If you feel so inclined you can add Joseph 'Elephant Man' Merrick, IRA hunger striker Bobby Sands and poet Rupert Brooke to the list. Just because we're more likely to take note of the fates of the famous doesn't make it any less coincidental.

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 23, 2011 4:49pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27

And, as you already pointed out, many of those fatalities were the direct result of poor lifestyle choices.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 23, 2011 4:56pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

And just to ram home the coincidence thing with a blunt instrument:

Big Bopper
Tim Buckley
Steve Gaines
Heath Ledger
Brandon Lee
Stephen Crane
Emperor Caligula
and Mary Jo Kopechne

all died at 28.

So why no 28 Club?

I'm sure a quick down and dirty search could attach a list of significant names meeting their demise to just about any age.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or StaffLum Edwards Date: Jul 24, 2011 7:16am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

You could pick any age and have a club.

5 minutes on google gave me this for 65.

Musicians dead at 65

Isaac Hayes
Dave Dee
Theophilus Beckford
Richard Wright
Chuck Day
Ray Davis
John Phillips
Willie King
Art Taylor
Carl Perkins
Leslie Gourse
Big Al Downing
Dave Van Ronk
John Herald

The whole 27 myth happened because of Hendrix, Joplin and morrison all dying really close to each other. I do remember Janis Joplins death effecting my Mother and her younger sister. At that time I hadnt a clue who Hendrix or Morrison was. Musta been surreal to fans at the time.

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 24, 2011 7:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

I believe that's pretty much what I said, but thanks for chiming in with confirmation.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 24, 2011 12:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

Not it was ever clear, but my pt was is there anything to it, which first, requires a stat analysis, but I wouldn't b surprised if there is a pile up @ late 20s for simple reasons: ie, you have to live long enough to get famous, and fast enough abuse wise, so ur not likely to live much into ur 30s...?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 24, 2011 12:55pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

Live fast, die young and leave a beautiful corpse?

I think you have the bases pretty much covered, Master Tell.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 24, 2011 2:15pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

Just wanted 2 b clr I n no way support any of the whacky 'implied' causative agents, but wonder if there might b a sm peak in the normal distribution for drug abusing r&r sorts...sorry--phone post! One of my first...

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 24, 2011 2:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

I'd never suspect you of supporting anything that couldn't be substantiated.

Phone posts? You technophiliac fool you! There'll be no stopping you now. 20,000 posts before Christmas!

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jul 24, 2011 9:57am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

"So why no 28 Club?"

Society shuns procrastinators?

TOOTMO

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 24, 2011 10:01am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

You know, I always meant to join the Procrastinators' Club. Just never got around to it somehow...

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Poster: TOOTMO Date: Jul 24, 2011 10:17am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

ba-ba-ba-bishhhhhh!!
"Try the veal."

TOOTMO


Edit: My apologies to the Forum: that must be the worst rimshot to have ever invaded this Forum. ("ba dum tish" seems to be the accepted spelling for those who care.)
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This post was modified by TOOTMO on 2011-07-24 17:17:19

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 24, 2011 10:23am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

Ba Dum Tish sounds like one of Stan Lee's less successful creations - a sort of second cousin to Fin Fang Foom.

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Poster: William Tell Date: Jul 23, 2011 5:16pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28...or?

Yeah, but can they sing? Er, could they sing?

I didn't mean to imply anything but chance to it--however, even chance can result in a pattern. That was my point: by shear chance, have musical over indulgent sorts just happened to die at 27 more often than not? You know me well enough to know I'd not ascribe ANY significance to it whatsoever if it is a pattern, other than that due to some alien life sucking jello blob having landed in New Mexico when SDH was born.

So, we'd have to do a statistical analysis of "musical sorts that Tell has been exposed to that died at 27" (hmmm, perhaps THAT's the causal factor! Of course, I choose to ignore those that don't fit the pattern...convenient, eh?).

I imagine you're right...that we'd find it all over the board, Jerry and Keith for a couple, screwed up the trend, right? Have to admit, though, I do always look to see if it is 27, as you note...

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Poster: Arbuthnot Date: Jul 23, 2011 5:31pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

coincidental purely by reason of the fact that the 4 most commonly referenced having died at 27 (Hendrix, joplin, jones, morrison), were all huge names in the press/media, and died within a short time-frame of each other; media into every home really came to the fore in the '60s (speaking generally here), and stories such as those 4 deaths no doubt generated much talk in the media, and hey, look, they were all 27, let's start a club; cobain is a mere footnote

edit: Pigpen died @ 27yo too, fyi

This post was modified by Arbuthnot on 2011-07-24 00:31:01

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Poster: user unknown Date: Jul 24, 2011 5:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

"Musicians usually included in the 27 Club"

the aforementioned:
Brian Jones
Jimi Hendrix
Janis Joplin
Jim Morrison
Kurt Cobain

"Cobain and Hendrix biographer Charles R. Cross writes, "The number of musicians who died at 27 is truly remarkable by any standard. [Although] humans die regularly at all ages, there is a statistical spike for musicians who die at 27"

"Other musicians who died at 27"
the aforementioned
Robert Johnson
Ronald "Pigpen" McKernan
Alan "Blind Owl" Wilson
Amy Winehouse
and then there was...
Rudy Lewis...The Drifters...May 20, 1964
Malcolm Hale...Spanky & Our Gang...October 31, 1968
"Dyke" Christian...Dyke & the Blazers...March 13, 1971
Les Harvey...Stone The Crows...May 3, 1972
Roger Lee Durham...Bloodstone...July 27, 1973
Wallace Yohn...Chase...August 12, 1974
Pete Ham...Badfinger...April 24, 1975
Gary Thain...Uriah Heep...December 8, 1975
Pete de Freitas...Echo & The Bunnymen...June 14, 1989
Mia Zapata...The Gits...July 7, 1993
Kristen Pfaff...Hole...June 16, 1994

from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/27_Club

It seems Mr. Cross may have a valid point. The list covers musicians(not all mentioned above)who died at age 27. The first perished on March 26, 1908 and the last on July 23, 2011. There seems to be a heavy concentration in the "Rock and Roll Era".

That being said, for each name on this list there are thousands of musicians who lived much past the age of 27. And there are many who never saw their 27th birthday.

"Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys."...Emma Bull

This post was modified by user unknown on 2011-07-24 12:50:59

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 24, 2011 6:37am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

"Coincidence is the word we use when we can't see the levers and pulleys."...Emma Bull


Correlation does not equal causation.

:-)

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Jul 24, 2011 9:14am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

Rob, are you familiar with the musical side of Ms. Bull? Have you heard her bands, Cats Laughing or The Flash Girls?

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Poster: robthewordsmith Date: Jul 24, 2011 9:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

Can't say that I have. Do you recommend I give her a listen?

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Poster: duckpond74 Date: Jul 24, 2011 9:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

It's been years since I heard them. I remember liking Cats Laughing more, but Folk Roots magazine was all over The Flash Girls when it came out. They were both entertaining live and worth seeing then. Emma was great on the stage banter, as you might imagine. Very dark songs. I'll pull the discs out later and let you know how they've stood up over time.

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Poster: leftwinger57 Date: Jul 24, 2011 9:00am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: THE number: 27... or 28?

I'm to lazy to google the info but Otis Redding and Buddy Holly ,Richie Valens, Brian Jones ,Keith Moon,Richard Manuel,Dennis Wilson,Duane Allman,Mike Bloomfield,and Steve Gaines from Lynard Skynard s' plane crash.That's from my memory and these people were not old by any stretch of imagination. Bottom line when your # is called I'll see you in the great gig in the sky.Many more have passed way to
to young for whatever the reason.